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00:01Welcome back.

00:03Welcome back, everybody. Thank you.

00:07We’re going to start this afternoon with something very special.

00:11In the last several decades, we’ve given a lifetime achievement award in GIS.

00:17This has gone to people like Roger Tomlinson, Duane Marble, Ian McCarg, Don Cook, Michael Goodchild...

00:28...many interesting people who’ve laid the footprints down for us to follow and build.

00:34They also not only led their particular field but they were interesting people, and we let them talk a little bit.

00:41Today, I’m very pleased to be able to honor an old friend of mine, Carlos Salman, with this honor.

00:49Carlos is an interesting guy, as you will see, one of the most creative people I have ever met on the planet.

00:56He went to school at ITC as a photogrammetrist and mapping person from his native country, Mexico...

01:04...came back and went to work for the government...

01:09...and had a passion for bringing modern mapping tools to Mexico in the ’70s.

01:14And he worked hard. And he got into bureaucracy and got fed up, and he left after contributing a lot...

01:25...started his own mapping company to map Mexico because he couldn’t get it done in government.

01:31He now owns the largest mapping company in South America.

01:35On his own, he mapped all of Mexico with his own topographic maps and provided them to everyone there.

01:44He also is a curious fellow, married to a wonderful architect and he’s creative.

01:51So he came across talavera. This is a kind of mosaic, originally brought from the Middle East to Mexico...

02:01...and it was a dying art, and he found a little factory, a few leftover artisans, and started it up again.

02:09And then, as some of you might remember, made maps of tiles and brought them here from Mexico...

02:16...huge displays of all the ancient maps of the world.

02:20And then he noticed that there wasn’t enough trees in cities in Mexico, so he started a nursery...

02:27...something I love, and planted millions and millions of trees across Mexico, and many, many other stories.

02:35I love this man. Please join me in welcoming and honoring Carlos Salman.

02:41Carlos!

02:48Thank you.

02:51You give it to me before the speech?

02:53Before the speech? Okay, I’ll give it to you later.

02:55Later!

02:56Later. Okay, later! My cues are wrong. Carlos.

03:00Yeah. I am very happy to be here.

03:04What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday. Our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow.

03:12Our life is a creation of our mind. I am just a mapmaker from Mexico.

03:18I don’t have great theories. I only have dreams.

03:22But my dreams are long-lasting. I am a persistent dreamer.

03:28I started in mechanical engineering at the MIT, not the one in Boston, the Madero Institute of Technology in Mexico.

03:38After graduating in 1971, I had the good fortune to get a job at the National Mapping Agency of Mexico.

03:47It was called Cetinal. The mission of Cetinal was to build a resource inventory of Mexico...

03:55...so the Mexican society could become aware how rich our territory was.

04:01Two million square kilometers, 11,000 kilometers of coast, everything that you want, you have it there, biodiversity.

04:13Engineer Juan [unintelligible] de la Para, the founder of Cetinal, used to tell us that we need to apply...

04:22...la visión de águila y la sabiduría del serpiente to get our job done; the vision of the eagle and the wisdom of the snake.

04:32I was impressed by his passion.

04:35The ambitious Cetinal program project involved topographic, geological land use, potential land use...

04:43...and sold maps at 1 to 50,000 scales and maps for the soil aptitude for urban development.

04:52Photogrammetry means to measure with light.

04:57In the ancient Mexican cultures, the spirit of the eagle...the eagle is the representation of the spirit of the sun.

05:05And it was the light of the sun that imprinted the vision of Mexico that we were capturing with the aerial photography at Cetinal.

05:15I was so happy to become a photogrammetrist.

05:18In 1974, my boss sent me to the ITC in the Netherlands to study a postgraduate diploma.

05:26I visited the Dutch cadastre and learned how important for the development of my country...

05:32...is to have a good and accurate and updated cadastral system and land registration.

05:38I thought we needed to apply that concepts in Mexico.

05:42Back in Mexico, I draw a diagram that shows the integration between the resource inventory we were doing and the cadastral.

05:54I was...I asked my bosses to be sent to the states to try to apply this knowledge. They sent me to Zacatecas.

06:04In Zacatecas, we did field surveys to complete the cadastral.

06:10And then we overlaid the cadastral map and the potential land-use map.

06:16What I saw was terrible.

06:19The land for these farmers were very small parcels, the soil was very poor...

06:25...so we were condemning them to poverty for generations to come.

06:31Also, they didn’t understand maps. But they were in such a terrible condition that I was enraged.

06:38I was very rebellious, so I told to my mentors how disenchanted I was with that situation.

06:48I had very good mentors.

06:50They listened to me very careful and told me, “Carlos, you put about your life to try to change the conditions...

06:59...that make Mexico so unfair and so poor, even if we have a lot of resources, but it will be a long journey.

07:08It will take you 40 to 50 years, and you will have many defeats and some successes.”

07:22And to address the issue that the farmers don’t understand our maps, you need to understand.

07:29Maps are like messages.

07:33With messages, not only matters what you say but what the other people understand...

07:40...and what the other people understand...

07:42...it depends on who he is and what filters he has built in his conscience, in his possible conscience.

07:50Our mission is not...it involves maps understood, not maps produced. Maps could be useless.

08:02They told me that 34 years ago. My mentors also advised me to get a real life, not just a work life.

08:15So they sent me to the university to give lectures to the students of the urban planning master course.

08:23And they encouraged me, try to get a girlfriend there. You know?

08:30The worst sin a man can commit is not to be happy.

08:35So I have always been obedient to my mentors, so nine months later, I married Gloria...

08:45...a student of that training course, nine months later, my daughter Paula was born.

08:53This girl came very fast. Then two years later, I had...Fabiola arrives.

09:01I became a family man.

09:03And I know that women of any age are wiser and stronger and smarter than men.

09:17In 1977, I wrote a paper proposing the transfer of Cetinal technology to state governments.

09:24I believe it that if we build state information systems at a provincial level...

09:31...we were going to make better part to help, to have better policies for water and land management.

09:40The paper was very well received by my bosses, but something terrible was about to happen with the Cetinal mapping agency.

09:49There were political changes at the minister level.

09:53A new minister, ill advised by international monetary fund economists, started to ask questions.

10:02How much do you spend on these maps? At what price do you sell it? What is the profit?

10:08We tried to explain to him that a national resource inventory is like an x-ray of your lungs or your brain.

10:19You will not make a fast-cash profit from it, but it could save your life.

10:27They didn’t listen, and they decided to stop the resource inventory.

10:34International monetary fund economists’ favorite song is downsize.

10:40Downsizing is like losing weight; it could be good if you apply it to the fat...

10:46...but it’s terrible if you try to lose weight taking out your eyes or your brains.

11:00Mapping and GIS are like the eyes and the brains of a country. You need both to have a shared vision.

11:10A shared vision with the resources can be used not to produce the richest map in the planet like in Mexico...

11:18...but to share all the resources such that the children could have enough nutrition.

11:24I faced a hard choice. I liked to work for the government.

11:29But then I needed to stop dreaming or go to the private sector and hope for the best.

11:34I decided to embrace hope, and in 1980 we founded a company with two employees, my wife and me...

11:43...that with a mission to implement land information system in the state governments.

11:48We grew in eight years from 2 to 200 employees and I thought we were going to be able to do something in 20 years...

11:59...not 40 or 50 like my mentors had told me.

12:03But then, in 1988, I met Jack Dangermond in Baltimore, and all my problems started.

12:12Esri was showing ArcInfo 3.x in 1988, and they were showing how to do geographic analysis with computers.

12:21We didn’t use computers. We just overlaid the maps.

12:27I listened to Jack very passionately speaking about landscape planning with GIS.

12:34I stopped to talk with him about the difference in mapping and urban systems in Mexico and the United States.

12:42In United States, you first make the streets, put the utilities, networks and then put the houses.

12:49In Mexico, we put the houses, and then later maybe we will put the streets and the utilities.

12:57So, in United States, you make maps of what is there.

13:02In Mexico, we need to make maps of what is not there but it should be, maps of the needs of the people.

13:09Then Jack told me, “Don’t worry. Next version of ArcInfo, we’ll make the maps of what is not there.”

13:21In the user conference, I found a group of people that thought that they could change the world with GIS.

13:30They appeared, it appears that they don’t know that changing, making dreams happen, is the most difficult task a man can undertake.

13:39So, like I am a experienced demon, I say I should join them.

13:45I decided to join them and since I became the Mexican distributor of Esri 22 years ago...

13:53...I have made many friends from every continent, including the small pueblito, or town, of Tierras Rojas, California.

14:06I have been a witness of the evolution of the most powerful GIS platform in the world.

14:13Many years of suggestion, insight, and complaint from all of this network are put into ArcGIS 10.

14:26So in 1999, many rivers flooded Mexico as almost every year.

14:34Flooding is good because it makes the soil more fertile, but it was a problem that we put the cities too close to the rivers.

14:44So the clean water, the rains, it was polluted with sewage and flood the cities...

14:52...setting back the lives of many people because they have to pay again all the commodities they had.

15:00So this makes me desperate. I am a desperate man because this is a disaster of our own making.

15:10We could not blame the river. Don’t blame the water. We did it wrong.

15:16Mexico deviates, is between, is dry or is flooded.

15:22You know, and these fields flooded, so if we keep the water, we shouldn’t be dry.

15:28But we are very crazy to manage the water, so we need to learn from the Dutch.

15:35To change the situation, we need 16 of these.

15:39One is large-scale, accurate maps. Accurate maps and updated. Then the cadastral layer.

15:50Then the public record should be tied to the cadastral layer, and then we need the resource inventory that we stopped 30 years ago.

16:00That is the reason I am desperate. But even these four things are useless if the community doesn’t use it.

16:08We are not making maps for ourselves. We need to transfer this information.

16:12We need maps in the brains of the people. So we need the community using the maps.

16:19And another thing, you know, another thing we need is a consensus building engine.

16:26Because the cities fought for this party or this party, for the rich, for the poor, for the old, for the young.

16:34So we should not discuss the data, we should discuss the solution.

16:41Since the maps were not available, six have decided to map old Mexico 20,000 scale in vector formats and at 10,000 in orthophotos and to 5,000 and 1,000.

16:57We call it Proyecto Mexico.

17:00We did a cartographic structure, sent the surveyors to establish a rock-solid network, take aerial photography.

17:09We didn’t have any contract to do it. We didn’t know how we were going to finance it or sell it.

17:19We didn’t even know if we were going to complete it.

17:22We just started to do it with no other light, no guide except the one burning in our hearts.

17:32Ten years later, maps of old Mexico at 20,000 scale have been completed and are already been updated.

17:40With maps, you always need updating.

17:44And we have produced thousands and thousands of maps at different scales, from 1,000 to 5,000.

17:50But, as my mentors told me, maps are useless unless the people apply them.

17:57And what we need...and that is our new challenge.

18:01If we want to change Mexico, how is the status of Mexico?

18:05Imagine an orchestra that they sing five different floors and we don’t have a partitur.

18:13Every guy, the orchestra is split in five floors, everyone wants to play a different song.

18:20There is no director. It’s chaos.

18:23We need optimization of the government process and orchestration of them. And that is a big challenge we have.

18:33I love maps, new and old. Photogrammetry is a science, but cartography is an art as much as a science.

18:42I realize that many antique maps that were produced hundreds of years ago...

18:47...were destroyed or were not used and were hidden in libraries.

18:52We decided to start...this is Amsterdam. We decided to start a small tile shop with a technique called talavera a puebla...

19:01...that these an evolution of the Islamic techniques and Mesopotamia techniques...

19:07...and then to Spain and then to Mexico in the 16th century.

19:11It has been very enriching experience to do these maps.

19:18Eradicating poverty and injustice in Mexico will take many years.

19:24So our motto is, if Mexico is going to be poor, at least make it beautiful.

19:32So 14 years ago, we bought a piece of land that was at audit and decided to transform it.

19:39We started a nursery. I have a friend from California that was a nursery boy.

19:46His name is Jack. The family of Jack had a nursery. So he gave me some tips about where to buy seeds and things like that.

19:54We make children to adult trees, we give trees to the schools...

19:59...and we have collections and pines and try to have some shelter for the species that are endangered.

20:07To be here today and be part of your network, it makes me very happy and very grateful to Laura and Jack...

20:15...and all my hardworking Esri friends, Proyecta Mexico, Talavera de la Luz...

20:22...and the flowering trees here are the results of many people. The merit is of all of them.

20:30So we make this map with the faces of the children of the [unintelligible] workers at Cetinal.

20:38It's nice way to remember why we need to work harder.

20:44I am, as you could imagine, very grateful to the mentors I had at Cetinal for the teachings...

20:51...but especially for sending me to university where I found my wife, Gloria.

20:58Meeting her is the best thing that ever happened to me.

21:03Everything that happens, happens because life wants to teach you something.

21:17It's your duty to find out what it wants to teach you.

21:22So when Jack told me about this award or this thing of lifetime, I was very nervous.

21:28I asked myself, do I look so old, or what?

21:35And then, for months, I was thinking what life is trying to teach me with this thing.

21:40Lifetime is an intimidating concept.

21:44Then I realized that lifetimes are just a collection of days, so I will tell you a Sanskrit poem...

21:55...as I recall it in Spanish but translated to English...

22:00...Take care of today because is life, the true life of life, and today, time spans you will get the excitement of action...

22:13...the power of thought, the opportunity to improve yourself, because yesterday is only a memory and tomorrow only a vision...

22:24...but today we live, makes every yesterday a memory of happiness and every tomorrow a vision of hope.

22:34Take care of today, therefore.

22:38So I will finish with a one-minute video that I brought to you with my wish.

22:47Please, try to be happy. Thank you very much.

22:58[Begin video]

23:55[End video]

23:59That was good! Thank you, Carlos. Congratulations. You’re a great guy. Isn’t he wonderful?

24:10Thank you, Carlos. Good luck to you.

24:11Thank you very much.

24:12You bet. Thank you.

24:14Good luck with your next presentation.

24:15Ah, yes, my next presentation. Thank you, again. Good.

24:27You can see why I’m very fond of this man. He’s a wonderful person.

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Lifetime Achievement Award

Carlos Salman Gonzalez reflects on his past achievements and challenges he faced in GIS career. Mr. Salman Gonzalez is the founder and CEO of SIGSA, the Esri distributor in Mexico.
  • Recorded: Jul 12th, 2010
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  • Published: Aug 25th, 2010
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Desde que te fuiste no he tenido luz de luna...
¡FELICIDADES! Muy bonito inglés...
La nostalgia invade a los soñadores de CETENAL.
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